Guest Post – using comments by Paul Ellis of Pablosplace.com

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On July 14, I wrote a post about “When to Move to the Next Level”. My twitter poker tour friend, Paul Ellis AKA @CoolWhipFlea of PablosPlace.com wrote a great comment. Here it is in its entirety.  Thank you Paul.

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……. I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Remember when Patrick Sebastian challenged us to the 10 to 250 challenge? It was somewhat of a wake up call for me about bankroll management. With respect to online play, I’ve basically been unable to play at the levels necessary to exercise proper bankroll management techniques and play the games that I wanted to play. For example, a $50 initial deposit is too little to play the TPT which is a $5 buy in event. Risking 10% of your bankroll on a single buy in is just well above what you should be doing. So I created a separate Full Tilt account for the sole purpose of the challenge, and have stuck to the bankroll management techniques recommended by Chris Ferguson in his $0 to $10k challenge. It’s been a real grind, but I’ve been able to move up in levels twice, and have run my bankroll from $10 to just about $100. I’m still a long way away from the $250 goal, but I’ve been steadily increasing the bankroll, and only moving up in payscale when my bankroll tells me that I’ve been running positive enough to take the risk. But here’s the more important thing, when I went through a rut, I moved down a level. I feel that it was VERY important to realize that when I wasn’t winning at the higher level, instead of jepordizing my bankroll on players that had a likely higher bankroll (especially since they now had my money ;)), that I needed to eat a slice of humble pie, stand up, and move to another table with lower limits. I think that this is the mark of a good player. Being able to recognize limits that are acceptable to play within so that you’re comfortable if you do lose. This is a game of skill, but it also has an element of chance/luck. And sometimes, the cards just don’t fall your way. When you’re on the one of the down swings, you have to know what you’re comfortable losing, and not jeopardize your entire bankroll with the swing. Moving up for me is just a simple matter of mathematics. If you’ve got the cash, you can take a swing at the bigger stakes for a percentage of your bankroll that you’re comfortable losing. But when you don’t have it, stay disciplined, and within the ranges that you’re comfortable playing at.

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4 thoughts on “Guest Post – using comments by Paul Ellis of Pablosplace.com

  1. Is there a good post on when to move up? I've been thinking about starting at $.01 and $.02 and then winning money for the next level. Do you win money for 100 BB at the next level?Sidebar – Steve where do you play out of ? Close to LV at all ?

    • Patrick, I am still playing at the micro and low levels. My live play is done at the poker room in Seabrook NH, close to where I live. Many different people have many different ideas as to when to move up a level. As I play mostly Limit Hold 'Em cash games, I use a figure of 500BB for my Limit Hold 'Em bankroll and 2000BB for No Limit.What this means to me is that with a $2,500 bankroll, I can play in Limit Cash games with a maximum big blind of $5.00 and in No Limit Games with big blinds of no more than $1.25 or rounded down to a $1.00. Using the 2% rule, I can play in a tourney of up to a $50 dollar buy in. If my bankroll increases, I can move up using the same 500bb-2000bb-2% formula. Depending on your success at the tables, your acceptable levels risk may vary. Just what percentages you use might be different than mine. If I were a great player, I might only need 150bb for limit, 300bb for no limit and could play for buy-ins for up to 5% in tourneys.

  2. Patrick, I am still playing at the micro and low levels. My live play is done at the poker room in Seabrook NH, close to where I live. Many different people have many different ideas as to when to move up a level. As I play mostly Limit Hold 'Em cash games, I use a figure of 500BB for my Limit Hold 'Em bankroll and 2000BB for No Limit.What this means to me is that with a $2,500 bankroll, I can play in Limit Cash games with a maximum big blind of $5.00 and in No Limit Games with big blinds of no more than $1.25 or rounded down to a $1.00. Using the 2% rule, I can play in a tourney of up to a $50 dollar buy in. If my bankroll increases, I can move up using the same 500bb-2000bb-2% formula. Depending on your success at the tables, your acceptable levels risk may vary. Just what percentages you use might be different than mine. If I were a great player, I might only need 150bb for limit, 300bb for no limit and could play for buy-ins for up to 5% in tourneys.

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